I opened a new thread because I didn't want to hijack the other one. Tangra, I do not know how long you are familiar with the Logic environment and I do certainly not want to discourage you but the last time I heard someone saying that he plans to release environment patches is quite a while ago and your statement made me curious. At least one of the macros you posted looks big enough to make serious troubles. Is all running well for you in Logic 8 or are you fighting the system? If you do this kind of work for several years now ... you must be a very brave man. -------------------------------------------- And now my "public" question, according to the subject: Does anyone of you - who went through several major Logic upgrades - still make big complex environments? With "big" I mean running into the cable length limit, objects per macro or object size, vanishing messages, broken functionality after upgrades, this kind of stuff. All people I know (including myself) more or less stopped these stunts after major projects became disfunctional or got frozen. With version 8 Logic is clearly going into another direction, more audio, more automatisms, more one-in-all. How is the situation for you environment builders, do you still try to realize your technical phantasies in Logic or did you reduce complicated processing or did you switch to Max and other solutions? In case you switched, do you control Logic remotely or do you use "the other thing" in parallel?