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Logic 9 Clef changing causing trouble?

Discussion in 'Logic 9' started by David51, Mar 25, 2010.

  1. David51

    David51 Senior member

    HI all, I have a score with 5 staves and the 3rd one I must have a viola[alto] clef. However, when I click on the clef and choose alto[viola] the next two lower clefs both change to viola too, now I don't mind violas but 3 staves are too many-this isn't a Louis 14th Opera Orchestra.

    Does any one know how to get 9.1.1 to do what it should? or a different manner to approach this problem?
     
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  3. David51

    David51 Senior member

    I have found the solution-in the lower of the two Parameter boxes,after selecting the track, you can change the clef at the very bottom where it says 'style' select the clef from the pop up list and it affects only that track.
     
  4. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    You can also do this in the score editor (sounds like you're doing this in the arrange) by selecting staff/track and changing the staff style in the inspector (first item). Also be aware that if multiple parts share the same staff style, any edits to one staff style will affect the others. The most common problem is adjusting the distance between parts. It's a bit time consuming on the front end, but the best way to deal with this is to create duplicate styles (one for each part) so they function independently.
     
  5. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Thank you Doug! How do I create a duplicate of each stave? I am doing most things in the score-even copy paste has started to do what I tell it to do. there is still a bug I can't figure out:when mouse inserting dotted notes no dot shows up, any idea what is going on?[URL=http://img.skitch.com/20100326-kkbmdy3g5n4rqsky93anch29g1.jpg.
     
  6. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    Two ways (at least). Long click on the staff style (treble, bass, whatever it says) and you get a pop-up menu. At the bottom it says duplicate. Select that. Or simply double click on the staff style and you'll get the staff styles edit box. You can figure it out from there. Be sure to give any duplicates a unique name, even if it's just a numerical appendage (viola 01, viola 02, etc.)

    The score editor is actually pretty useful, I think it's worth the effort to learn it.
     
  7. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Thanks yet again, Doug! I have Prischls' book in front of me but can't find any mention of the missing dots when inserting dotted 8th's and dotted 16th's. I tried to use a url image but it wasn't parsed-Heck-I'll try againhttp://img.skitch.com/20100326-kkbmdy3g5n4rqsky93anch29g1.jpg why the url appears twice is a mystery to me,maybe the mods are sleeping.
     
  8. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    Welcome for replies.

    I don't think I can give you a solution for your last problem. I've never seen the missing dot issue, nor in a quick test can I recreate it. It's possible it's a screen redraw issue or perhaps a corrupt file.
     
  9. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Doug, Thanks for the reply. I can tell you how to duplicate this problem:in a new 2/4 time score[or it may work on an existing one] set the Q to 1/16 and try to mouse drag a dotted 8th note from part box to first beat-the dot will disappear unless the Q is changed to a binary that has a numerator divisible by 3, the default in the score is nota fraction, so it almost always has to be adjusted-finding the correct one is difficult for me.[Prischl-pp55]
     
  10. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    Ok, I did all that and I get a quarter note if I just add a single note, the Q didn't matter. But what does matter is that interpretation not be selected. (You can choose to affect the track in the parameter box, or you can work with individual notes.) If interpretation is off, I get the dotted eighth note regardless of Q setting.

    I'm using Leopard 10.5.8 - maybe you're using 10.6 and that's the problem?

    And to educate me, what is "nota fraction"?
     
  11. David51

    David51 Senior member

    I have always turned Interpretation off as I prefer to interpret the music myself. I'm using 9.1.1 in 10.5.8 and waiting for the 3rd party plug-ins to get 64 versions out. If you get an 8th note with the default setting then Prischls' book is finally ou dated. I should read his newest addendum-he is very good so that might be in there. A nota is a sign of old age-hit the wrong key. Here is a screenshot from SmartScore Xs' "note attribute pop up seen when you double click on any notr=note
    http://img.skitch.com/20100327-dt895uw2sqtqm1ns8m7aqedkbg.jpg
     
  12. Colin Shapiro

    Colin Shapiro Senior member

    Hi David,

    Your dot problem intrigues me....
    When I drag a dotted 1/8th note in as you say, I get just that - a dotted 1/8th note with a 1/16th rest after it.

    I'm using Logic 9.1.1 in Mac OS10.6.2 by the way. I have Interpretation off for that track, otherwise it shows as a 1/4 note.

    I can't reproduce what you have in your screen shot. Your beaming makes me wonder where exactly the notes are though (in time) - are the 2nd and 3rd notes in bar 1 just unbeamed?

    Regards - Colin
     
  13. David51

    David51 Senior member

  14. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    And nota fraction sounds such like a classical music term that I never got around to learning..... you could have had me going there, if you'd have chosen.


    Colin, thanks for confirming behavior and good observation about the lack of beaming on the last two 16ths. Maybe a user rest or hidden note involved?
     
  15. Colin Shapiro

    Colin Shapiro Senior member

    Hi David,

    Looking at the original score, I see what you're going for. Looking at your earlier screenshot, my rough guess is that you placed the 16th note g on the 3rd semi instead of the 4th.
    In other words, you should have:
    [​IMG]
    but you might have:
    [​IMG]
    That would result in the missing dot, followed by a lone semi, which may be unbeamed.

    Just a thought.....
     
  16. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Thanks again for the help, let me know if you find the 3 g'shttp://www.logic-users-group.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif
    Sincerely, David
     
  17. Colin Shapiro

    Colin Shapiro Senior member

    Sorry - senior moment.
    I was focusing so much on the timing, I forgot the bass clef. I meant Bb not G of course. Nota problem really. :tongue:

    I took the first 2 bars of your top bassoon line:
    [​IMG]

    I inputted all notes from the part box and get this:
    [​IMG]

    Note that the 1/16ths in the second bar are not marked as triplets in the original, but clearly they must be. Triplet markings were often omitted in old music when it was apparent that they could only be triplets.

    The event list looks like this:
    [​IMG]

    Note that the 1/32 notes are on x x x 121 and not 161 as in your event list.
    Triplets are commonly are found on x x x 81 and 161 as you can see from the ones in the next bar.

    Hope this makes sense and helps a little.....
     
  18. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Thank you sooooo much Colin. You are so very kind to help so much,I may even learn the score editor if this goes on longer. What was the Quantization set to when you inputted that passage? It makes perfect sense and as I said helps tremendously. If you keep saving my a%^$* I will have to return to practicing the Akai EWI4000 so I can record these pieces-if this kind of music interests you I'll mail an aiff CD or email mp3s as a thank you.
    PS: I still return to the first event list you made for me and it is incredibly helpful still.
     
  19. Colin Shapiro

    Colin Shapiro Senior member

    You're most welcome.
    Score quantization was set to 32,48 (otherwise the 16th triplets don't show)
     
  20. David51

    David51 Senior member

    Once more, Thank you Colin.
     

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