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Logic 9 Is the Duet my best choice?

Discussion in 'Logic 9' started by ryguy76, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    I'm just wondering if someone can play devils advocate and give me some reasons that another interface might be a better choice for me. Is there anything in its rough price range that competes sonically?

    I'd like a little more i/o options than what it has, but I don't want to sacrifice sound quality for it. I don't want to spend more than around $750 though.

    I'd like to be able to incorporate some existing outtboard gear which will just collect dust if I go with the Duet. Any suggestions?

    What kinda of i/o options do most singer/songwriters find the most useful?

    Thanks
     
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  3. yavuz

    yavuz Senior member

    Check out the new RME Babyface;
    http://www.rme-audio.de

    It's in the first page.

    Details are here.
    http://www.rme-audio.de/download/sheets/Babyface_e.pdf

    I have Apogee one and RME Fireface UC.
    I use both of them a lot.
    If you are on a budget, and can buy only one interface Duet is a great choice.
    RME Babyface is not out yet.
    However, it has extra 8 channels of ADAT I/O.
    How many tracks will you be recording at once.
    If not more than 2, go will Duet.
    I am so happy with One.
    It's simplicity, and sound quality is great.
    I am also very happy with RME FirefaceUC.
    But they have different uses for me.
    I sometimes record my Jazz Trio and I need 16 I/Os.
    Jazz needs to be recorded live since players improvise off of each other.
    For most of the other projects, 2 I/O will be enough.

    Sound quality wise, I can not hear a difference between my Apogee One and RME FirefaceUC. May be others can.
    Symphony systems may sound better but that's different market.
     
  4. Mehdi

    Mehdi New Member

    The Babyface will be usb to which I prefer firewire (personal preference).
    I have a Duet and I love it. The quality is superb and so is the sound.
    I never record more than one channel at once though.

    A friend has the Fireface 400 and it sounds great (never recorded into it).
     
  5. zerobeat

    zerobeat Senior member

    Up until last week i would have said nothing sounds as good as the Duet around that price but the forthcoming BabyFace by RME could, based on RME's fantastic sounding other devices. It's more money, but it does more.

    Perspective:
    A crappy sounding 16bit/48KHz audio interface with just unbalanced line in/out [no preamps] and S/PDIF cost US$1000 in 1993.
     
  6. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    What could you even get for $1,000 in 1993? An AudioMedia ll card went for around $,1600. What else was there back then?
     
  7. bobdemaa

    bobdemaa Senior member

    You could look into a line mixer... assuming we are talking about synth outboard gear? I use a RANE line mixer for a similar situation myself. I just submix the synths and record them when I have something to keep.
     
  8. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    I've never used ADAT before, so I'm not sure what the babyface would need to be paired with for additional i/o options, but it does make me want to find out before I buy a duet. Is there a specific item that is used for this application? How does the babyface handle powered monitors? Are they only fed via ADAT? I'm not too familiar with this type of gear. I've only used Roland recorders to this point.

    Realistically, when I record my own upcoming project, I only need 2 inputs, but I do like the ability to use some outboard gear if needed. But most likely, I could do everything I need within Logic and plugins, so it's not a deal breaker. I'm just contemplating any future recording projects that could need more i/o options. I don't want to box myself in, but I'm not willing to get a lesser quality, multi i/o interface. Sound quality is my main concern.


    When does the babyface launch in N. america? Is there a released date and pricing... I can't find this info.

    Thanks fellas.
     
  9. zerobeat

    zerobeat Senior member

    I bought an AM2 NuBus card in 1993 for about Canadian$1600. Maybe I'm remembering the exchange rate wrong and it was a lot more than US$1000? If so, then it even more shows how far we've come with price/performance ratio.
     
  10. zerobeat

    zerobeat Senior member

    ADAT (more accurately called "LightPipe") is a digital audio optical protocol that passes 8 channels at 44.1/48KHz (and in many cases 4 channels at 88.2/96KHz, or even rarer cases 2 channels at 176.4/192KHz).

    One common device to attach to an audio interface with ADAT is an 8 channel mic preamp that contains A/D convertors terminating in an ADAT output. Prices range from around $300 for crappy Behringer to $6000 for great Millenia (or maybe higher?). RME has two such devices: Octamic (around $2000?) and Micstasy (around $5000????). It could be that the Octamic's preamps and convertors are the same as what's in the forthcoming BabyFace, because they use that circuitry in various other devices. Damn nice if that's true.


    Background:
    ADAT = "Alesis Digital Audio Tape". In the early 1990's Alesis released an 8 channel digital audio tape recorder that used VHS transport technology. They invented their own optical protocol called LightPipe for connecting one machine to another to do digital clones. Then some digital mixer manufacturers in the mid 1990's implemented the LightPipe protocol so you could connect an ADAT recorder digitally, not via analog. The ADAT recorder is long dead, and many people don't use outboard mixers anymore, but the Lightpipe protocol lives on.
     
  11. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    Zerobeat,

    Thank for your explanation of ADAT. I've been confused, because I've known of ADAT tape for years and never knew if ADAT ports just coincidentally shared the same name. Now I understand. makes perfect sense.

    Is there any low-cost, quality 8 channel pre's that can be used with ADAT, or is a get what you pay for sorta deal?
     
  12. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    I've always been a big fan of the Presonus Digimax FS. I think it's been replaced by a newer model. But I've always found it great bang for the buck, and very good sounding for mid price pres. I set one up for a client with an RME Fireface and we both agreed that we liked the Digimax pres better than the built in Fireface pres. That was totally unscientific and subjective of course - but we did like it.
     
  13. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    What about theFocusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP? That seems to have all the features I ideally would use.
     
  14. seebee62

    seebee62 New Member

    I have the duet and love it. I got it when it first came out. I was looking to downsize because I stopped using a lot of outboard gear moslty rack synths and needed something to travel with and it seemed perfect and is IMHO.
    Now not traveling much and just recording bass or guitar or a vocal. The sound is awesome to me. There are a lot great I/O's out there. Chose one that sounds great and fits your needs. For myself two inputs are all I'll ever need. If you plan on expanding get something that has more inputs.
     
  15. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    At this point in time, I really only need 2 inputs, but I would like some connectivity beyond what the duet offers.

    I'm ultimately after something with:
    - 2 analog ins
    - 2 great sounding pre's
    - good conversion
    - built in dsp for wet tracking
    - 2 headphone amps
    - and a couple options for getting sound out to outboard gear if necessary.
    - rackmountable would be nice too

    The sapphire 24 almost fits the bill, but I'm not convinced that it plays well with logic, or has comparable pre's/converters to the duet. So, back to the drawing board.
     
  16. ryguy76

    ryguy76 Member

    I'm really diggin' the Motu 828mk3, which I like all it's features, but is it sonically on par with the duet with respect to conversion and preamps? if it's in the same league, this unit is a no-brainer then for me. thoughts?
     
  17. zerobeat

    zerobeat Senior member

    Prices range from around $300 for crappy Behringer to $6000 for great Millenia (or maybe higher?). RME has two such devices: Octamic (around $2000?) and Micstasy (around $5000????). Focusrite and Presonus also sell such devices.

    Better quality preamps and convertors cost more money to manufacturer, because they use superior parts and design.

    There's no big mystery on how to make great preamps and convertors. Poor preamps and convertors (unlike poor software) aren't like that because the manufacturers don't know how to make good stuff. It's that they are purposefully targeting a cheaper market by user inferior parts and design.
     

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