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Logic news not sittin well with some.

Discussion in 'The LUG Lounge' started by orcasound, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. orcasound

    orcasound Member

    While today's logic news hits us with a 9.1.6 update- the transfer to digital download taking place- it's only apparent that X is on the way here shortly...
    Certainly Apple is preparing the masses for
    But it's posts like this that really get to me.
    This is from a well know PT forum :

    Bananas Are Cheap Too But You Won’t Find Many Studios Recording With Them
    Tonight Apple announced a huge price reduction of Logic Pro, possibly in anticipation of a new X coming some time soon; the rumours suggest it will arrive.

    Logic at $199 is a tempting proposition and some are already asking if it’s worth thinking about switching from Pro Tools to Logic now.

    Well if it’s just about price, then take my advice and get REAPER, if not that then Studio One. In fact if you’re not going to use Pro Tools then get anything you like, but don’t just leap into bed with Apple because they just made Logic cheaper - if you are really desperate to get a copy of Logic there are plenty of FREE copies lurking in dark places on the web.

    However, take a trip around 90% of top recording studios and post houses and they will be using Pro Tools, you might not like that, but it’s a fact. So if you just want to work in isolation, as is the case for most Final Cut X owners these days, then choosing an industry standard product is not important.

    I’d rather stick with Pro Tools, at least I now I know I’m in good company.
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  3. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    You know, I'm really not sure.

    I mean, yes, we know that Logic Pro 10 is coming, but we don't know when. An argument can be made the other way too: that Apple wants all of their apps download only, but since Logic Pro 10 is a long way off, Apple decided to use this as an opportunity to put LP into the App Store.

    That's not to say that Logic Pro 10 won't be out soon, I really don't know. But I am not using the fact of Logic Pro being in the Mac App Store as a sign of anything except the fact that Apple clearly wants all their apps in their App Store.

    Don't worry about it. :thmbup:

    Seriously, what would you expect in a Pro Tools forum? It's like going to the fan club of a sports team, don't be surprised when everyone there loves the team, and gives your favorite team a hard time.

    And the truth is, PT is great software! I've not one thing in the world against PT. I'm very fast and efficient in Logic and I think it's got an amazing combination of effects and synths and second-to-none MIDI editing tools but that doesn't mean PT isn't great. So let PT users sing the praises of their software, it's great stuff! And if they need to put down what we use, well, whatever. Just don't pay attention to it. We know what works for us, and that's all that matters. :hippy:

    Let's face it: these days, all of these apps are so good, you can make a song or album in any of them, from GarageBand to Pro Tools HDX. It's really preference, and specific needs.

  4. orcasound

    orcasound Member

    Maybe a Logic10 delay ....?? Perhaps Celemony cried a legal foul on Logic's patent regarding Polyphonic Pitch Correction? - just sayin'

    In all seriousness, I truly believe that Logic10 will hit the app store in January 2012 - Early Feb at latest - barring any unforeseen last minute delays.

    I have no doubt that Apple wants all their software in the appstore -
    But I also think this is a way for Apple to offer up the $199.00 price tag - test the content download functionality, and prep the world for Logic 10.
    I mean, there are many PT users on the fence unhappy with AVID and the PT10 debacle.
    I really don't think its a coincidence that the day L9 hits the app store for $199 that AVID releases their 30 test drive for PT10 -
    While many think apple has gone consumer - when it comes to Logic - I don't think so.
    The Logic team are on the ball. Gerhard gave Steve his "Garageband" DAW for ALL - but I truly believe that those guys are left to their own devices - they know the market, they know the technology, they know the competition - Apple of course, knows how to market it and make it all silvery and shiny-like. (though I would bet the Logic10 has more of a black look to it - )
  5. mattrixx

    mattrixx Senior member

    That whole Bananas post on the Air Users Blog.. Or should I say AVID users blog, gave me the shits. It's the sort of misrepresented bias and negativity that has been bursting from that site for a while.
    Anyway, we have Multicore Bounce now!! Woo Hoo. :)
  6. georgelegeriii

    georgelegeriii Senior member

    Funny, Most of the people I work with are Logic users, and most also have protools. So I'd say BOTH apps are in most studio's, though Protools TDM is in the bigger guys, but then I used to have a great fostex 16 track and the bigger guys had Studers ;-)

    I still recorded great music, and today I still do, regardless of what App I use.

    And lIke Orren said: I can assure you a number of PT people are really pissed at Avid, and are as sure that PT is about to fold... just read a few threads on Gearslutz!

    Really, some people just like to bitch and moan about everything, while us old timers can't believe the absolutely fantastic tool and options we have today, at such unbelievable prices! Makes me want to dance a jig (mind you, with these old bones I don't know if I could... )
  7. mattrixx

    mattrixx Senior member

    Here here.... I don't want to talk about how much Logic 2 and the audio option was, if you decided to buy it after the fact. We are so spoilt with tools we are availed with today.
    Bitching and moaning is for those with too much idle time me thinks! I guess I'm actually probably in the ol' timer cat anyway! ;-)
  8. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    I agree, something I'd been waiting for now for a long time! :thmbup:

    You might be right, I haven't a clue. And you know, I have to admit, I don't actually care. Why? Because there's very little that I can't do right now with Logic now. Sure, other apps might be ahead on one feature or another, and it would be great to have Melodyne-like pitch editing in Logic, etc. But it's not like I can't make music without it. So sure, we all want our tools to be the best they can be, but right now I think Logic is so good, everything else counts as "nice to have" but not "can't use it without."

    (and as I say above, that goes for all of them, really. It's not like Pro Tools is missing something so important you can't make an album with it, or DP, or Cubase, or SONAR, or Live, etc).

    In fact, you want to know how old skool I am? If the pitch sucks on a guitar track, rather than wishing for Melodyne...I play it again! :tongue: Imagine that, actually performing rather than relying on the tools to "fix it" for me! ;)

  9. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    You know, it seems to me there are a couple of undeniable very positive conclusions we can draw from the recent turn of events involving Logic.

    1. Rumors of Logic's imminent demise are greatly exaggerated. Clearly it is still on Apple's agenda. Not that there was ever any real doubt. But for the naysayers - this seems like yet one more example of concrete evidence that Logic lives.

    2. Regardless of what the ramifications are of the price drop; it will result in drawing more new users to Logic. Logic's population will grow. And this can't be a bad thing. The bigger Logic's demographic, the more Apple has vested in int's continued existence.

    3. The price drop is in stark contrast to Avid's recent price increase with the release of Pro Tools 10. Apple is once again setting a new bar, a new price point; just like they did the last time they chopped the price by fifty percent from $1,000 to $500. The competition will be unable to deny this new price point and changes will follow.

    4. This is purely personal speculation: We have seen in the last year or so a marked decline in the price of many third party plug-ins. Of course there are always the flagship plug-ins like Spectrasonics instruments and Melodyne, etc that will likely never be inexpensive, and are worth every penny. But for the most part, bread and butter plug-ins have come down in price in general. I believe this new price point will drop the price of third party plug-ins even more in the long run. There will be more users to buy them. And potentially an easy point-of-sale model now that the App Store is in full swing with Logic.I predict we'll be seeing more sexy compressors, filters, delays, etc at the $30 - $40 rather than $100 - $200 price point in the not too distant future.
  10. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    I don't know if you knew this, but plug-ins are not allowed in the Apple store, only standalone apps. It's part of Apple's developer rules. And BTW—even if Apple changed the plug-in rules, custom copy protection is also not allowed. So no PACE, challenge response, etc. More rules to change...

    In general, I agree with your speculation that prices will continue to come down—really, all software is going down in price. But unfortunately, the Mac App Store won't be that single point-of-sale for plug-ins unless Apple changes the rules of the App Store, which I think are extremely unlikely.

    Also, the App Store takes 30% commission on sales (which could result in some pretty funny situations...if, for example, Digital Performer dropped it's price and were sold through the Mac App Store at $199, Apple would end up with $60 on every sale of DP!). For a $29 plug in, that leaves the developer with only $19 or so. For a program like Pixelmator, which has a sales potential of hundreds of thousands of users (e.g. anyone who edits graphics on a Mac), that's fine. But DAW users who buy 3rd party plug-ins are a much smaller market; an audio plug-in is lucky if it sells 1000 copies. Even if DAW sales go up by 50%, I doubt that 3rd party plug-in sales would, and that 30% commission would be rough.

    Point being: it might very well not be to the advantage to independent developer of low-priced plug-ins to jump into the App Store anyway.

  11. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    Hi Orren,

    I didn't know about the App Store rules/policies. I see your point. It seems like free market efficiency is still, thank God, best served by independent developers remaining independent. :D

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